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[22:38:14] <Guest62> That's like still using a tube radio, cool!
[22:41:47] <bill-auger> ... says the young person
[22:42:48] <jonas> :-)
[22:42:56] <bill-auger> IRC is as popular as it ever was, at least for libre software projects
[22:43:25] <jonas> (...and no, I am not translating my previous post to emoji)
[22:43:54] <bill-auger> "<jonas> (...and no, I am not translating my previous post to emoji)" cool
[23:15:26] <Guest62> Young? I remember time when most TVs had penthodes in line output, and only a few had transistors or SCRs instead.
[23:16:34] <Guest62> Damper diode tube consumed even higher heater current than output penthode. And the whole set was hot, very hot, especially above these tubes.
[23:18:13] <Guest62> High voltage rectifier was also a tube in some cases, and its heater was powered from a separate one-turn winding on line output transformer.
[23:18:33] <Guest62> And you call me young.
[23:21:58] <Guest62> Audio stage was hybrid in most cases. Audio IF stage with transistors, then demodulator, then transistor preamp, then penthode output stage connected to speaker via step-down transformer.
[23:29:21] <Guest62> I remember these TVs gradually replaced by more modern sets where CRT is the only tube. 8-bit computers came to the market, which, in turn, were replaced with PC compatibles with DOS. I grew with that. Years passed, one day Arachne browser became available, and I could browse the web from DOS. This lasted two years, then I slightly upgraded my
[23:29:22] <Guest62> machine and switched to Linux. Then came S40 cellphones with built-in browsers, seeming miracles at firsg, then S60 Symbian phones, and finally Android.
[23:31:07] <Guest62> For some period, I used IRC much, then its popularity declined, and now... what? I find it being used again!
[23:31:25] <Guest62> Young...
[23:32:05] <bill-auger> its popularity declined for random chatting and porn - but for software projects it never declined
[23:32:36] <Guest62> Didn't.know
[23:33:02] <bill-auger> email too is still very popular for software projects
[23:33:58] <Guest62> But nothing strange. Arduino is 8-bit, but still being used because of huge collection of libraries for doing everything, unlike more powerful platforms.
[23:35:34] <bill-auger> you seem like the kind of person who would enjoy this retro beauty https://mega65.org/
[23:37:01] <Guest62> DC motors with brushes is a 200-year-old invention, much older than tubes, but still extensively used. Today I shaved using one of such motors, and traveled by suburban trains using other such motors :)
[23:37:05] <bill-auger> their next plan is to make a solar powered mobile phone using that hardware
[23:39:17] <Guest62> What? Modern, fast repplica of a 6502 machine? The same 6502 as used in C64, Pravetz, Agat, NES and Bender robot :)
[23:43:11] <bill-auger> yes it is a implemented as FPGA - not a replica exactly - the machine never existed - it was designed to be the "commodore 65" but it was never produced
[23:43:49] <bill-auger> somehow that team got a license for the original design
[23:46:33] <Guest62> Maybe it never existed because MS didn't license C64 Basic interpreter.
[23:47:56] <Guest62> If they cloned a 8080 machine of some kind, they could use the open source Tiny Basic.
[23:48:55] <Guest62> There exists a project where an Arduino emulates a 8080 running Tiny Basic, not tried it yet.
[23:50:12] <bill-auger> basic is there as a retro throwback - you can write software for the mega65 in C or whatever - if you write it and cross-compile it on an x86_64 box first
[23:52:08] <Guest62> I even remember 8- and 16-bit computers with composite video output connected to all-tube TVs and programmed in Basic.
[23:54:01] <Guest62> Now you can install a basic interpreter into an Arduino, and also make an Arduino output composite video, recently built a small Arduino based Pong-like console, and it works.
[23:54:37] <bill-auger> i dont suppose that "moved" is the right word - sfconservancy has operated their own forge for many years
[23:55:13] <bill-auger> for example, the upstream for the copyleft guide https://k.sfconservancy.org/Copyleft/guide
[23:56:35] <bill-auger> oh sry wrong number
IRC #olimex 2022-07-02
[22:36:19] <Guest62> Really? IRC? It still exists?[22:38:14] <Guest62> That's like still using a tube radio, cool!
[22:41:47] <bill-auger> ... says the young person
[22:42:48] <jonas> :-)
[22:42:56] <bill-auger> IRC is as popular as it ever was, at least for libre software projects
[22:43:25] <jonas> (...and no, I am not translating my previous post to emoji)
[22:43:54] <bill-auger> "<jonas> (...and no, I am not translating my previous post to emoji)" cool
[23:15:26] <Guest62> Young? I remember time when most TVs had penthodes in line output, and only a few had transistors or SCRs instead.
[23:16:34] <Guest62> Damper diode tube consumed even higher heater current than output penthode. And the whole set was hot, very hot, especially above these tubes.
[23:18:13] <Guest62> High voltage rectifier was also a tube in some cases, and its heater was powered from a separate one-turn winding on line output transformer.
[23:18:33] <Guest62> And you call me young.
[23:21:58] <Guest62> Audio stage was hybrid in most cases. Audio IF stage with transistors, then demodulator, then transistor preamp, then penthode output stage connected to speaker via step-down transformer.
[23:29:21] <Guest62> I remember these TVs gradually replaced by more modern sets where CRT is the only tube. 8-bit computers came to the market, which, in turn, were replaced with PC compatibles with DOS. I grew with that. Years passed, one day Arachne browser became available, and I could browse the web from DOS. This lasted two years, then I slightly upgraded my
[23:29:22] <Guest62> machine and switched to Linux. Then came S40 cellphones with built-in browsers, seeming miracles at firsg, then S60 Symbian phones, and finally Android.
[23:31:07] <Guest62> For some period, I used IRC much, then its popularity declined, and now... what? I find it being used again!
[23:31:25] <Guest62> Young...
[23:32:05] <bill-auger> its popularity declined for random chatting and porn - but for software projects it never declined
[23:32:36] <Guest62> Didn't.know
[23:33:02] <bill-auger> email too is still very popular for software projects
[23:33:58] <Guest62> But nothing strange. Arduino is 8-bit, but still being used because of huge collection of libraries for doing everything, unlike more powerful platforms.
[23:35:34] <bill-auger> you seem like the kind of person who would enjoy this retro beauty https://mega65.org/
[23:37:01] <Guest62> DC motors with brushes is a 200-year-old invention, much older than tubes, but still extensively used. Today I shaved using one of such motors, and traveled by suburban trains using other such motors :)
[23:37:05] <bill-auger> their next plan is to make a solar powered mobile phone using that hardware
[23:39:17] <Guest62> What? Modern, fast repplica of a 6502 machine? The same 6502 as used in C64, Pravetz, Agat, NES and Bender robot :)
[23:43:11] <bill-auger> yes it is a implemented as FPGA - not a replica exactly - the machine never existed - it was designed to be the "commodore 65" but it was never produced
[23:43:49] <bill-auger> somehow that team got a license for the original design
[23:46:33] <Guest62> Maybe it never existed because MS didn't license C64 Basic interpreter.
[23:47:56] <Guest62> If they cloned a 8080 machine of some kind, they could use the open source Tiny Basic.
[23:48:55] <Guest62> There exists a project where an Arduino emulates a 8080 running Tiny Basic, not tried it yet.
[23:50:12] <bill-auger> basic is there as a retro throwback - you can write software for the mega65 in C or whatever - if you write it and cross-compile it on an x86_64 box first
[23:52:08] <Guest62> I even remember 8- and 16-bit computers with composite video output connected to all-tube TVs and programmed in Basic.
[23:54:01] <Guest62> Now you can install a basic interpreter into an Arduino, and also make an Arduino output composite video, recently built a small Arduino based Pong-like console, and it works.
[23:54:37] <bill-auger> i dont suppose that "moved" is the right word - sfconservancy has operated their own forge for many years
[23:55:13] <bill-auger> for example, the upstream for the copyleft guide https://k.sfconservancy.org/Copyleft/guide
[23:56:35] <bill-auger> oh sry wrong number