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[11:45:06] <gttodorov>
[14:37:15] <Th7> hello :)
[14:38:19] <Th7> i was wondering if you i could find any singleboards that has (semi) high performance on olimex.com ??
[15:48:54] <gttodorov>
[15:55:16] <leon-anavi> Th7, what do you mean by "(semi) high performance"?
[16:22:18] <Th7> i mean: G hz/B not Mhz KB
[16:22:48] <Th7> leon-anavi
[16:24:07] <Th7> something like 1Ghz GPU, *GB Ram
[16:31:59] <leon-anavi> Would A20-OLinuXIno-LIME2 fit your needs?
[16:34:17] <Th7> that looks super neat! thank leon-anavi
[16:35:44] <leon-anavi> you are welcome
[16:36:01] <leon-anavi> There is a good software support for A20 boards.
[16:39:10] <Th7> thats perfect, just what i looked for!
[16:40:12] <Th7> could you hit me up with something that could be compared with the RPi Zero? i would like something that is as small as possible, but with performance good enough to run gnu/linux os such as trisquel
[16:43:59] <leon-anavi> hm... check some of the older boards - Olimex has iMX233 with smaller size
[16:45:13] <leon-anavi> keep in mind that iMX233 boards are not powerful, probably they won't match your expectations for performance
[16:45:17] <leon-anavi> lime2 is better
[16:45:22] <leon-anavi> and it is quite small :)
[16:50:29] <Th7> alright :) i need to learn about this, i am somehow new hardware, i know what it is, but i don't know all it takes to make my own complete build. is there a neat site where i can learn about this ? GPIO and such
[16:52:56] <leon-anavi> walk step by step
[16:53:16] <leon-anavi> buy a board, try out some of the known to work distributions and move on slowly.
[16:53:38] <leon-anavi> there are a lot of things to learn if you do not have experience with something like that.
[17:47:28] <leon-anavi> https://olimex.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/a64-olinuxino-open-source-hardware-board-with-64-bit-cortex-a53-processor-is-in-released/
[17:47:38] <leon-anavi> Th7, check the latest news from Olimex blog :)
[18:02:14] <Th7> thanks leon-anavi, and also for good advice.
[18:02:17] <Th7> :)
[18:06:43] <Th7> i heard Allwinner chips are bad
[18:06:56] <Th7> they contain malware
[18:07:18] <diego71> ?
[18:07:46] <Th7> i heard that one Allwinner chip that seamed to be legit, was not
[18:07:52] <Th7> it contained malware
[18:08:11] <leon-anavi> how could a CPU or a GPU contain malware?
[18:08:16] <Th7> malware=unwanted, nonprivate, /backdoor
[18:08:47] <Th7> all intel gpu's after 2008 contains nsa backdoor such as amd
[18:09:03] <Th7> some even has 3G chips implanted
[18:09:43] <Th7> such as=and so do amd
[18:12:59] <leon-anavi> olimex boards are open source hardware so you can have a look at the PCB schematics and the wiring of the Allwinner SoC.
[18:13:38] <Th7> so, olimex checks every single chip before shipping?
[18:14:33] <leon-anavi> I don't know what is their procedure for QA
[18:16:15] <leon-anavi> Actually they are even selling A20 SoCs. You can buy any quantity of the chip: https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/A20/
[18:18:37] <Th7> it would be nice if they tested any chip before using it on the boards
[18:19:08] <Th7> if its possible to do so easily, per automatic perhaps
[18:31:00] <leon-anavi> Th7, you can buy the chip test it on your own and after that solder it
[18:31:11] <leon-anavi> this way you will be 100% sure
[18:31:34] <leon-anavi> the PCB is open source hardware so you can get it print somewhere
[18:32:11] <leon-anavi> definitely there will be quite a lot of work to do it but it is worth doing it if you want to test and examine everything carefully.
[18:33:40] <Th7> i know, but i don't know how to test it, i would rather trust someone who wants to protect others then buying it, and wait till i have the knowledge it takes to test it\
[18:34:21] <Th7> your right, a lot of work, spread out to everyone, why not just do it at the end point
[18:34:54] <Th7> why not just do it at the last point before the user :)
[18:35:23] <leon-anavi> I think the question here is that you don't trust certain companies
[18:35:32] <leon-anavi> Otherwise these SoCs are tested
[18:35:40] <Th7> also, i won't ever bee 100% nothing is 100% never.. how could i check if the print matches, and there more added to it
[18:36:03] <leon-anavi> that's easy to check on the PCB
[18:36:10] <Th7> i don't trust anyone, BUT i trust some more then others
[18:36:29] <Th7> PCB: can't be manipulated?
[18:36:40] <Th7> and things can't be hidden ?
[18:36:43] <leon-anavi> just have a look at it with a magnifying glass
[18:37:33] <leon-anavi> ... or a microscope :)
[18:37:42] <Th7> even there it could look like, but be something else.. :S
[18:37:50] <Th7> my point is..
[18:38:09] <Th7> you can't ever be 100% sure, but you can come very close
[18:38:20] <leon-anavi> I understand you your point - you don't trust anyone but you don't have the skill and the knowledge to check things on your own :)
[18:38:27] <leon-anavi> so you are in a deadlock :)
[18:39:15] <Th7> not really.. i don't trust anyone 100%, i don't have the skills it takes to check on my own, but i am willing to trust others more then those who lies
[18:39:41] <leon-anavi> btw if I were you I would have been more worried about binary blobs in certain drivers rather than the hardware :)
[18:42:11] <Th7> can chips contain software? software that goes around software? chip > ethernet port > nsa
[18:42:53] <Th7> btw i ain't a terrorist, i just really don't like spies, and they are not welcome in my perfect dreamy system
[18:44:18] <leon-anavi> I really don't want to waste my time with non-tech conversations like this about conspiracies and so on. I did my best to help you.
[18:44:35] <Th7> and you did! thanks a lot
[18:44:58] <Th7> do yourself a favor, search for intel nsa backdoor ..
[18:46:28] <leon-anavi> I remember that story, it is an old one
[18:46:30] <Th7> i just want to talk to someone who know what they are talking about, so they can guide me in my journey to find totally freedom. And you leon-anavi seams to be one of those guys who really know whats up
[18:47:16] <leon-anavi> I don't have knowledge about what's inside Intel, AMD or Allwinner chips.
[18:47:35] <leon-anavi> For the rest if it is open source hardware and/or software you can just have a look at the source code :)
[18:47:41] <Th7> lets not discus "100%" or "what if" but if you like, lets discus "things i know"
[18:48:06] <leon-anavi> well.. you know... I 100% know I have work do to :)
[18:48:14] <Th7> lol
[18:49:17] <leon-anavi> btw RISC-V tries to address the worries that you have by making a free and open RISC instruction set architecture: https://riscv.org/
[18:49:27] <leon-anavi> they are taking open source one step further :)
[18:53:41] <Th7> nice
[19:47:42] <adj__> Th7, just released: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/a64-olinuxino-open-source-hardware-board-with-64-bit-cortex-a53-processor-is-in-released/
[19:49:27] <Th7> yeah, so i saw :)
[19:49:32] <Th7> thx tho :)
[19:52:00] <adj__> it's much better than a20-lime2 except for only one USB and no SATA
[20:02:07] <leon-anavi> adj__, imho and no mainline Linux kernel support at the moment :)
[20:04:24] <adj__> yes, that's right
[20:05:45] <adj__> in fact that's the reason I'm still on a20-lime2
[20:06:02] <adj__> sata and mainline support
[20:07:19] <adj__> leon-anavi, one thing that I don't like of olimex boards is that they don't agree on a board form factor
[20:07:45] <adj__> difficult to upgrade to a new board
[20:08:40] <leon-anavi> yes, different form factors could be problematic for fitting in existing cases.
[20:08:49] <leon-anavi> I agree about that
[20:09:12] <adj__> pico-itx would be much better than rpi form factor
IRC #olimex 2017-06-05
[09:32:48] <leon-anavi> morning[11:45:06] <gttodorov>
[14:37:15] <Th7> hello :)
[14:38:19] <Th7> i was wondering if you i could find any singleboards that has (semi) high performance on olimex.com ??
[15:48:54] <gttodorov>
[15:55:16] <leon-anavi> Th7, what do you mean by "(semi) high performance"?
[16:22:18] <Th7> i mean: G hz/B not Mhz KB
[16:22:48] <Th7> leon-anavi
[16:24:07] <Th7> something like 1Ghz GPU, *GB Ram
[16:31:59] <leon-anavi> Would A20-OLinuXIno-LIME2 fit your needs?
[16:34:17] <Th7> that looks super neat! thank leon-anavi
[16:35:44] <leon-anavi> you are welcome
[16:36:01] <leon-anavi> There is a good software support for A20 boards.
[16:39:10] <Th7> thats perfect, just what i looked for!
[16:40:12] <Th7> could you hit me up with something that could be compared with the RPi Zero? i would like something that is as small as possible, but with performance good enough to run gnu/linux os such as trisquel
[16:43:59] <leon-anavi> hm... check some of the older boards - Olimex has iMX233 with smaller size
[16:45:13] <leon-anavi> keep in mind that iMX233 boards are not powerful, probably they won't match your expectations for performance
[16:45:17] <leon-anavi> lime2 is better
[16:45:22] <leon-anavi> and it is quite small :)
[16:50:29] <Th7> alright :) i need to learn about this, i am somehow new hardware, i know what it is, but i don't know all it takes to make my own complete build. is there a neat site where i can learn about this ? GPIO and such
[16:52:56] <leon-anavi> walk step by step
[16:53:16] <leon-anavi> buy a board, try out some of the known to work distributions and move on slowly.
[16:53:38] <leon-anavi> there are a lot of things to learn if you do not have experience with something like that.
[17:47:28] <leon-anavi> https://olimex.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/a64-olinuxino-open-source-hardware-board-with-64-bit-cortex-a53-processor-is-in-released/
[17:47:38] <leon-anavi> Th7, check the latest news from Olimex blog :)
[18:02:14] <Th7> thanks leon-anavi, and also for good advice.
[18:02:17] <Th7> :)
[18:06:43] <Th7> i heard Allwinner chips are bad
[18:06:56] <Th7> they contain malware
[18:07:18] <diego71> ?
[18:07:46] <Th7> i heard that one Allwinner chip that seamed to be legit, was not
[18:07:52] <Th7> it contained malware
[18:08:11] <leon-anavi> how could a CPU or a GPU contain malware?
[18:08:16] <Th7> malware=unwanted, nonprivate, /backdoor
[18:08:47] <Th7> all intel gpu's after 2008 contains nsa backdoor such as amd
[18:09:03] <Th7> some even has 3G chips implanted
[18:09:43] <Th7> such as=and so do amd
[18:12:59] <leon-anavi> olimex boards are open source hardware so you can have a look at the PCB schematics and the wiring of the Allwinner SoC.
[18:13:38] <Th7> so, olimex checks every single chip before shipping?
[18:14:33] <leon-anavi> I don't know what is their procedure for QA
[18:16:15] <leon-anavi> Actually they are even selling A20 SoCs. You can buy any quantity of the chip: https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/A20/
[18:18:37] <Th7> it would be nice if they tested any chip before using it on the boards
[18:19:08] <Th7> if its possible to do so easily, per automatic perhaps
[18:31:00] <leon-anavi> Th7, you can buy the chip test it on your own and after that solder it
[18:31:11] <leon-anavi> this way you will be 100% sure
[18:31:34] <leon-anavi> the PCB is open source hardware so you can get it print somewhere
[18:32:11] <leon-anavi> definitely there will be quite a lot of work to do it but it is worth doing it if you want to test and examine everything carefully.
[18:33:40] <Th7> i know, but i don't know how to test it, i would rather trust someone who wants to protect others then buying it, and wait till i have the knowledge it takes to test it\
[18:34:21] <Th7> your right, a lot of work, spread out to everyone, why not just do it at the end point
[18:34:54] <Th7> why not just do it at the last point before the user :)
[18:35:23] <leon-anavi> I think the question here is that you don't trust certain companies
[18:35:32] <leon-anavi> Otherwise these SoCs are tested
[18:35:40] <Th7> also, i won't ever bee 100% nothing is 100% never.. how could i check if the print matches, and there more added to it
[18:36:03] <leon-anavi> that's easy to check on the PCB
[18:36:10] <Th7> i don't trust anyone, BUT i trust some more then others
[18:36:29] <Th7> PCB: can't be manipulated?
[18:36:40] <Th7> and things can't be hidden ?
[18:36:43] <leon-anavi> just have a look at it with a magnifying glass
[18:37:33] <leon-anavi> ... or a microscope :)
[18:37:42] <Th7> even there it could look like, but be something else.. :S
[18:37:50] <Th7> my point is..
[18:38:09] <Th7> you can't ever be 100% sure, but you can come very close
[18:38:20] <leon-anavi> I understand you your point - you don't trust anyone but you don't have the skill and the knowledge to check things on your own :)
[18:38:27] <leon-anavi> so you are in a deadlock :)
[18:39:15] <Th7> not really.. i don't trust anyone 100%, i don't have the skills it takes to check on my own, but i am willing to trust others more then those who lies
[18:39:41] <leon-anavi> btw if I were you I would have been more worried about binary blobs in certain drivers rather than the hardware :)
[18:42:11] <Th7> can chips contain software? software that goes around software? chip > ethernet port > nsa
[18:42:53] <Th7> btw i ain't a terrorist, i just really don't like spies, and they are not welcome in my perfect dreamy system
[18:44:18] <leon-anavi> I really don't want to waste my time with non-tech conversations like this about conspiracies and so on. I did my best to help you.
[18:44:35] <Th7> and you did! thanks a lot
[18:44:58] <Th7> do yourself a favor, search for intel nsa backdoor ..
[18:46:28] <leon-anavi> I remember that story, it is an old one
[18:46:30] <Th7> i just want to talk to someone who know what they are talking about, so they can guide me in my journey to find totally freedom. And you leon-anavi seams to be one of those guys who really know whats up
[18:47:16] <leon-anavi> I don't have knowledge about what's inside Intel, AMD or Allwinner chips.
[18:47:35] <leon-anavi> For the rest if it is open source hardware and/or software you can just have a look at the source code :)
[18:47:41] <Th7> lets not discus "100%" or "what if" but if you like, lets discus "things i know"
[18:48:06] <leon-anavi> well.. you know... I 100% know I have work do to :)
[18:48:14] <Th7> lol
[18:49:17] <leon-anavi> btw RISC-V tries to address the worries that you have by making a free and open RISC instruction set architecture: https://riscv.org/
[18:49:27] <leon-anavi> they are taking open source one step further :)
[18:53:41] <Th7> nice
[19:47:42] <adj__> Th7, just released: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/a64-olinuxino-open-source-hardware-board-with-64-bit-cortex-a53-processor-is-in-released/
[19:49:27] <Th7> yeah, so i saw :)
[19:49:32] <Th7> thx tho :)
[19:52:00] <adj__> it's much better than a20-lime2 except for only one USB and no SATA
[20:02:07] <leon-anavi> adj__, imho and no mainline Linux kernel support at the moment :)
[20:04:24] <adj__> yes, that's right
[20:05:45] <adj__> in fact that's the reason I'm still on a20-lime2
[20:06:02] <adj__> sata and mainline support
[20:07:19] <adj__> leon-anavi, one thing that I don't like of olimex boards is that they don't agree on a board form factor
[20:07:45] <adj__> difficult to upgrade to a new board
[20:08:40] <leon-anavi> yes, different form factors could be problematic for fitting in existing cases.
[20:08:49] <leon-anavi> I agree about that
[20:09:12] <adj__> pico-itx would be much better than rpi form factor
